NZICT - unwarranted influence on Software Patents?

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As a FOSS software developer in Christchurch, I have a strong interest in software patents - specifically their exclusion from patentability in New Zealand. What's more, I think that the NZICT Group Inc might be overstepping its authority...

A few weeks ago Minister Simon Powers came out in support of the Commerce Commission select committee's recommendation that, based on the evidence presented by a number of submitters (including my company, Egressive), computer software should be excluded from patenting. As you can imagine, I was overjoyed, as were most (if not all) of the members of the NZOSS.

Given the minister's statement of support and the open, consultative, and transparent process undertaken by the select committee in reaching its recommendation, it struck me as bizarrely incongruous to read the subsequent ComputerWorld NZ piece entitled "NZICT says patents 'integral' to software protection: Vendor group says move is a major policy change and calls for wider consultation" in which NZICT Group CEO, Brett O'Riley, stated (emphasis mine):

"Software patents, while acknowledged as a less than perfect solution in some areas, are none-the-less integral to an individual or company’s right for commercial protection and essential for competing globally. We believe that it is very important that companies retain the option to protect their innovations under patent law, if that is their choice."
and
"Abandoning software patents is a major policy change. NZICT is concerned that the software industry has not been consulted sufficiently on this change and recommends the Government be cautious to ensure that it is acting in the interests of the industry as a whole."

Questions for the NZICT Group

The article, mysteriously authored by "Computerworld Staff" (no journalist willing to take responsibility?) leads to a few pointed questions:

  1. Who are the NZICT, who do they represent, and why is their opinion worth an article on ComputerWorld NZ or anywhere else?

  2. Did the NZICT make a submission supporting their pro software patent position to the select committee?

  3. How strong was support among NZICT members for the Group's stance in favour of software patents?

  4. What evidence does the NZICT have for its pro-software patents assertions and dire predictions with regard to international trade?

  5. What influence does NZICT have on Government Ministers?

First-hand insight into the NZICT Group

Last week, I had the opportunity to attend an NZICT Group event here in Christchurch, which essentially amounted to an opportunity for NZICT CEO Brett O'Riley to introduce (and be visually associated with) Department of Internal Affairs (DIA) Brent Chalmers (Director Supply Management) who presented the new Government Technology Services initiative being undertaken by DIA to an audience of about 25 people at the posh Canterbury Club in conjunction with the Canterbury Development Corporation-run Canterbury Software Cluster.

Following the talk, I was able to talk to both Mr. O'Riley and to another NZICT board member who attended (but asked not to be identified). I asked them about the NZICT position on software patents, how they arrived at it, and how they justified their position - and their apparent ability to gain a national profile as a group representing the wider NZ software industry - essentially the questions above. Here are their responses, paraphrased by me:

  1. Who are the NZICT, who do they represent, and why is their opinion worth an article on ComputerWorld NZ or anywhere else?

    The NZICT, an incorporated company, formed approximately 12 months ago, has 90 corporate and business members - 10 Tier One, 24 Tier Two, and 66 General members. The board consists of 12 people selected from the 3 Tiers. All but two of the board members represents either a foreign-owned multinational corporation (e.g. Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, Dell) or is a Microsoft Gold Partner or otherwise directly affiliated to Microsoft (Gen-i, Simpl, Kinetics Group, and ACE Training).

    The initial CEO of NZICT was Kevin Ackhurst, who is also Managing Director of Microsoft NZ. He in turn hired and turned over the CEO role to Brett O'Riley in an attempt (in my opinion) to soften the obvious multinational corporate direction of the organisation.

    Interestingly, the thing that both Brett O'Riley and the board member wanted from me was suggestions of how could entice more small kiwi-owned IT businesses into joining. I pointed out to him that for me to join with my business, they'd have to

    • Alter the constitution to removed the tiered membership system, and to remove the tiered voting system which favours richer larger corporate members. One organisation, one vote.
    • Engage their constituency transparently (even to non-members) on any important positions, e.g. on software patents, via online surveys, with full disclosure of results
    • Ensure that representatives of multinational corporations and their formal kiwi partner organisations represent a minority of the board
    • Place a large notice on their website front page (and an accompanying press release) stating: The NZICT would like to earn the right to represent New Zealand IT firms. To do so, we need more independent kiwi-owned and run IT firms. At present we primarily represent the interest of multinational IT corporations and their kiwi partner firms.

    He just looked at me and said (quite seriously): "Any other suggestions?".

  2. Did the NZICT make a submission supporting their pro software patents position to the select committee?

    No, they did not make a submission. The board member said they "received bad advice" from an inside government source, telling them wouldn't need to... and implying that they are on an inside track with at least one of the five ministers with IT-related portfolios keeping them appraised of relevant developments. Those five ministers are Bill English, Jerry Brownlee, Tony Ryall, Simon Powers, and Stephen Joyce. I'm not convinced that this is true, however. I believe that the NZICT and its members simply weren't sufficiently organised or knowledgeable about software patents to make a submission. I'm not aware of even a single NZICT member company making a submission. I suspect, based on the way I was told this, that it was bluster from a multinational representative on the back foot.

  3. How strong was support among NZICT members for the Group's stance in favour of software patents?

    Both Brett O'Riley (who admits that he is not well informed on the software patents issue - he had his PA prepare his briefing on it) and the board member admitted that they did not survey NZICT members before stating their position in support of software patents. They did assert that they'd only received positive feedback from members since that time, however, but when pressed, could not provide any indications of the numbers of supporting members.

    I pointed out to him that 81% of NZCS members who responded to a survey voted against software patents. The NZCS has about 2000 paid members, as well as 70-90 organisational affiliates. I suggested to Brett that this compelling show of support for the contrary position to that of the NZICT indicated that either there was a substantial division between NZICT's representation and NZCS's, or that NZICT was actually representing a very small subset of NZ IT firms, namely those owned or affiliated to overseas owned multinationals. He tentatively accepted this statement.

  4. What evidence does the NZICT have for its pro-software patents assertions and dire predictions with regard to international trade?

    Short answer: they have none.

    The board member offered an explanation as to why he thought NZ needs to retain software patents, despite the fact that he agreed the current patent system was utterly broken: He stated that multinational IT corporates were considering investing large amounts in NZ, and if the patent "landscape" shifted, he felt they would shift their investment elsewhere... but he followed this up by saying that the multinational he represented was pulling much of its presence out of Europe and instead investing in the Asia/Pacific region. He sees multinational investment in NZ as the only way to benefit the local IT industry. I asked him what would happen to the profits generated by those external investments... and suggested to him that they probably wouldn't be staying in NZ or benefiting the NZ market in any way. He had no comeback.

    He didn't seem aware that most of Asia also has no software patents, but this does not seem to be inhibiting multinational investment there. He didn't seem to have any explanation of how no software patents in NZ would somehow put off multinational investment, either - this was just a "gut feel" based on his experience.

    Furthermore, both he and Brett suggested that, without software patents, NZ software companies would disadvantaged going into export markets. This, of course, is also spurious because NZ-based software patents would not have jurisdiction in foreign markets, and many don't recognise software patents anyway. For those that do, like the US, the NZ software companies could apply for patents through the US system (broken though it is).

    Initially, Brett was adamant that NZ firms must be able to "protect their IP" or they wouldn't succeed or grow. I asked him which NZ companies he knew of which had NZ software patents, and how it had benefited them. He couldn't really think of any except the one Chris Auld mentioned in this recent hysterical article. I pointed out to him that several of my colleagues had evaluated that patent, and had found it both obvious and subject to prior art, despite the fact that IPONZ awarded it patent status, further underlining how broken the NZ patent process is. This would probably lead to it being overturned in court. I pointed out to him that, internationally, Google appeared to be eschewing "IP protection" in favour of operational superiority and faster innovation than its competitors, and it was doing ok. He agreed... and appeared to change his mind on the necessity of software patents for success on the spot.

  5. What influence does NZICT have on Government Ministers?

    When asked whether they thought the Government would go through with the recommendation, he assured me (with a knowing smile) that "they'll definitely reconsider their position, and reopen the issue for discussion". When asked how this could be achieved given Simon Power's strong statement in support of excluding software patents, the board member admitted he was surprised by that as well... and said that it would certainly make their eventual reversal more troublesome (but he didn't doubt that the Government would reconsider their position and make the "right choice", i.e. retaining software patents).

    Their apparent access to ministers through private channels seems somewhat dubious, as does their (perhaps misguided) sense of their ability to influence government officials. This is disturbing and warrants further exploration.

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Hi Dave, Nice blog. Good to

Hi Dave, Nice blog. Good to see Drupal in use. Agree with you that Software Patents shouldn't be accepted. But I just wanted to defend NZICT as an organisation and endorse it to you. Whilst I disagree with their support of Software Patents, I've seen them do a lot of other good stuff and provide some visibility to politicians and media that IT can be useful and contribute to the betterment of NZ in general. They have made govt submission on support for tech startups, R&D tax breaks for software companies, the economic contribution of the software sector - stuff that benefits the little guy not just the multinationals. From memory, there have been various failed attempts to create a sector voice in the past (HiGrowth, Digital Development Council) and one of the problems was that there were about 20 or so different IT groups out there (NZSA, NZCS, Auckland ICT Cluster, Canterbury Software Cluster, TUANZ, HiTech Association, InternetNZ). I remember discussion saying that the major vendors needed to come on board in order to provide some legitimacy, clout and funding. Computerworld has covered the discussion for a long time: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/srch/BA8EAC0173B1815DCC2577170077FD9...

Thanks for your comment,

Thanks for your comment, Steveo.

I'm pleased to see that NZICT are active in promoting the needs of their constituency to government... Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I agree that my business' interests (or those of other kiwi owned and operated businesses) are well aligned with those of most of the NZICT members... In fact, I'm almost certain they're generally not. They generally tend to treat as axiomatic the following (with which I fundamentally disagree):

  • an FTA with the US is desirable.
  • for IT companies to be successful, they need to grow (preferably to $100 million turnover +).
  • that money invested by multinationals in NZ (for the benefit of their overseas shareholders) is of huge benefit to NZ-owned IT companies
  • that software companies are in the business of generating "IP" (there's a better name for it) rather than writing better software.

Until NZICT recognises that it needs to earn the right to use the letters NZ in its acronym, I'll be doing my best to reveal the foreign multinational bias in the organisation. As I did in my discussions with Brett and his colleague, I'll be more than happy to explain my misgivings with their company, but they'll have to make some fairly major changes to convince me that they're not working against my - and my business' - interests.

I think there's a huge chasm

I think there's a huge chasm in NZ between the "geek community" and the "commercial IT industry". NZICT are an organisation of the latter.

All the big IT services companies in NZ are foreign-owned multinationals, Microsoft resellers or both. That's the way it is - it's an artefact of capitalism. They hire out people to do all the boring crap that most geeks wouldn't touch, like maintaining decade-old accounting systems, implementing SAP and the like. That's most of the business - green field Ruby projects do not employ many people and attract many dollars.

It's a pity that this is the case, because the IT industry could do with a lot more smarts and creativity. But that's how its panned out, and it's a category error to even expect the management of the Gen-i's and EDS's to pursue or even understand a "geek agenda" (like free software promotion).

Thanks for the comment, Rich.

Thanks for the comment, Rich. I agree with you mostly, but I'm not sure the current state of affairs is related to capitalism at all... I'd say its more related to cronyism and distortions of the free market rather than proper capitalism. Things like patents, file format lock-in, and other artificial barriers to entry for competition are anti-capitalist. I'm not saying all protections are bad - I like copyright because it allows me to make works for which I hold copyright available under CC or copyleft (GPL) licenses. Regarding NZICT, I think you're right - they're not geeks. But that's even more reason why they shouldn't be able to sway the sw patents recommendation... they are - as you point out - self selected non-innovators (by and large). I'd say that many just like the idea of making money off others' innovations (via patents) without having to do a lot of work for it. Except they think of it as a right, rather than a privilege that exists only to encourage innovation, which clearly isn't what's going on here.

Yeah I think it's fair to say

Yeah I think it's fair to say NZICT represent the "commercial IT industry" - I just wanted to point out that also includes the NZ commercial IT industry, not just the multinationals (I've worked for both types, as well as open source providers). I've seen NZICT champion NZ IT companies like Sidhe, Weta Digital, Orion Health, Right Hemisphere and support many start-up programmes. All capitalists, and all Kiwis doing great stuff. And back to your original point: I don't think any of them use or need software patents. R&D tax credits or government contracts would be nice where appropriate.

Hi Dave, Really nice, well

Hi Dave, Really nice, well written article. I do not know any NZ owned company that develops software and supports software patents, which I think means any move to support software patents is a move to favour foreign owned companies over local companies. I have to admit that I have mixed feelings about both NZCS and NZICT so while I happen to stand firmly with NZCS on this particular issue, I wouldn't want to write off NZICT just yet. Corrin PS: Probably an unrelated point but I am not theoretically against software patents - I believe some areas of computing move slowly enough and cost enough to research that short patents could be justified. However I believe the gross incompetence of the USPTO is such that it is safer in practice to lose this small benefit than try to tread the fine line between what I will term genuine software patents and the current fluff being patented.

I have to totally disagree

I have to totally disagree with the comments about geek versus commercial - this totally misses the point. It is important to note that there is not a single representative of the NZ software development industry on NZICT, and that these local software companies themselves have strongly stated that they are against software patents. Surely resellers and integrators (many of whom are either owned or beholden to overseas interests) are the wrong source of information and direction for this decision - shouldn't the select committee and Simon Power be talking to local software companies to get their input on this decision? Bad decision all round

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